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		<title>By: plima</title>
		<link>http://firsttuesdayjournal.com/owners-add-cash-instead-of-cashing-out/comment-page-1/#comment-84501</link>
		<dc:creator>plima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A home is a utility, not an investment. It is something you utilize. The question is one of the value of shelter.. Homes historically have not appreciated with any great movement.  Houses tend to keep up with inflation. Hence, a moderate increase in value. The person that did this article should do their homework.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A home is a utility, not an investment. It is something you utilize. The question is one of the value of shelter.. Homes historically have not appreciated with any great movement.  Houses tend to keep up with inflation. Hence, a moderate increase in value. The person that did this article should do their homework.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather,

I agree that if borrowers are bringing money to close when they’re way upside down, that’s a fools game.

But, there are still millions of homeowners with equity.  And in some cases, bringing a few grand to close (or even $50k) to bring their balance down to a level where they can increase their equity, and drastically cut their cost of funds, can pencil out very well.

In fact, I’ve a scenario right now that goes like this:
$800k value (conservatively, probably $825k, but… I like to be conservative)
$665k 1st at 6% 5/1 ARM, p/i that has 2yrs until 1st adjustment
$80k fixed 2nd

By paying down the first balance to $625,500, we can do a no points no fees loan to 4.875%.  That saves my client $800/mo.

Projecting forward to August of 2015, if he kept his current loan, his principal balance would be roughly $407k.

With the new loan, it’ll be roughly $375k, but, we have to add the $40k brought to close to that figure, so…he’s at $415k, compared to $407k balance if he did nothing.  However, during the next 5yrs, that $800/mo savings totals $48k.

So, in 5yrs, he’s got more than his $40k back, AND cut his principal balance by $40k more than had he done nothing.  Plus, my comparison assumes that his ARM will average 6% for 3yrs after the first adjustment.  Although we could be in a low interest rate environment for a lot longer than people think, we could also hit the debt wall, and see rates rise pretty quickly in a 2-3yr horizon.

Now, in this case, the only rub is that they’re not sure they’ll be there for 5 years.  They think so, but…that’s reason for pause.

And, this is an extreme example.  Most of the people I’m working with, where it makes sense to pay down their existing balance a bit, are only off of an LTV mark by a few grand.  In that case, it can indeed be a very cost-effective way to go.

You can’t go wrong with debt reduction (unless you’re way upside down).  It’s a guaranteed return.  You can’t get that type of return, particularly accounting for risk, in any other investment vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather,</p>
<p>I agree that if borrowers are bringing money to close when they’re way upside down, that’s a fools game.</p>
<p>But, there are still millions of homeowners with equity.  And in some cases, bringing a few grand to close (or even $50k) to bring their balance down to a level where they can increase their equity, and drastically cut their cost of funds, can pencil out very well.</p>
<p>In fact, I’ve a scenario right now that goes like this:<br />
$800k value (conservatively, probably $825k, but… I like to be conservative)<br />
$665k 1st at 6% 5/1 ARM, p/i that has 2yrs until 1st adjustment<br />
$80k fixed 2nd</p>
<p>By paying down the first balance to $625,500, we can do a no points no fees loan to 4.875%.  That saves my client $800/mo.</p>
<p>Projecting forward to August of 2015, if he kept his current loan, his principal balance would be roughly $407k.</p>
<p>With the new loan, it’ll be roughly $375k, but, we have to add the $40k brought to close to that figure, so…he’s at $415k, compared to $407k balance if he did nothing.  However, during the next 5yrs, that $800/mo savings totals $48k.</p>
<p>So, in 5yrs, he’s got more than his $40k back, AND cut his principal balance by $40k more than had he done nothing.  Plus, my comparison assumes that his ARM will average 6% for 3yrs after the first adjustment.  Although we could be in a low interest rate environment for a lot longer than people think, we could also hit the debt wall, and see rates rise pretty quickly in a 2-3yr horizon.</p>
<p>Now, in this case, the only rub is that they’re not sure they’ll be there for 5 years.  They think so, but…that’s reason for pause.</p>
<p>And, this is an extreme example.  Most of the people I’m working with, where it makes sense to pay down their existing balance a bit, are only off of an LTV mark by a few grand.  In that case, it can indeed be a very cost-effective way to go.</p>
<p>You can’t go wrong with debt reduction (unless you’re way upside down).  It’s a guaranteed return.  You can’t get that type of return, particularly accounting for risk, in any other investment vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion Proffitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marion Proffitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it depends upon the homeowner&#039;s situation; if they are planning to hold the property for long term and not sell within the next 5-10 years, it may make sense to pay cash in to a re-fi situation if they are only moderately upside down.  This is especially true if they are facing an interest rate adjustment or conversion from interest only to fully amortized and have no intention of selling or walking away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it depends upon the homeowner&#8217;s situation; if they are planning to hold the property for long term and not sell within the next 5-10 years, it may make sense to pay cash in to a re-fi situation if they are only moderately upside down.  This is especially true if they are facing an interest rate adjustment or conversion from interest only to fully amortized and have no intention of selling or walking away.</p>
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